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11:37 PM

sentience is a different matter than sapience (edited)

11:37 PM

i believe all tulpas, at a base level, are sentient

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when we force

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we are trying to help them attain higher levels of sapience

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also independence and agency

11:38 PM

bad on the spot analogy, but think of it as nursing back someone who has been in a coma for a long time

Yeah and for some it’ll take less time than others

wont tulpamancing be counterproductive to someone who partakes in mindfulness and concentration meditation, since spending time in ones imagination seems to go against the concept of 'living in the moment'?

...then don't spend time in your imagination

living in the moment is not being trapped thinking about the past or the future. As long as you are present to the current experience, you are living in the moment.

11:09 AM

tulpas are a phenomenon that manifests in the present, just like everything else. As long as you are aware of such, you are being in the moment.

isn't the imaginative thinking required of creating a tulpa about abandoning your senses and focusing inwards rather than on the immediate present?

11:10 AM

I wouldn't know since I don't tulpamance myself, but this is my impression

What

what you perceive is what you perceive, regardless of the source. The physical senses are not privileged in that sense.

think landscapes and visualization

You know wonderlands are entirely optional, right?

11:10 AM

We don't have one

entirely

And forms are optional

although it seems to me that the same branch of thought is the one employed when creating a tulpa in general - it's a very intensive use of imagination

you can be present to your imagination, is my point.

11:12 AM

just like you can be present to your dreams and thus, lucid.

that is true, mental objects are the exact same as physical objects when it comes to meditation

11:12 AM

though tulpamancing seems to be about ruminating on an interior, mental object, when teachers of mindfulness meditation would advise on doing the opposite

tulpamancy isn't a verb...

I don't know the lingo these days, it was years ago since last I went on any tulpa stuff lol

11:13 AM

but I'm curious about it still

mindfulness can also mean being aware of your thoughts, for one. The general meaning is just, awareness of your awareness, of what you're placing your attention on.

Possession could be considered "mindful on the exterior" since it requires focusing on the body and its senses

I think my main question would be, is someone who is prone to catatonic thought patterns/ruminative thinking somehow compromise their mental health if that person has been using mindfulness (in the traditional, meditative sense) as a crutch to avoid such thought patterns?

11:17 AM

did that question even make sense?

yeah, I'd certainly advice getting those thoughts in order; it's not easy to do tulpamancy with those kinds of thoughts running through your head, from personal experience.

my general impression is that these thoughts can't be avoided wholly, but can be eliminated temporarily by upkeeping a meditation practice

11:19 AM

making them non-existant in practice

nah man I got mine down

11:19 AM

it takes some dedicated practice but it's doable

certainly

it does start with being able to ignore them, certainly

11:20 AM

or more aptly, let them pass

so it sounds to me like you have experiences both with creating a tulpa and having these thoughts too?

yes to both

do you feel creating a tulpa, both active forcing and passive forcing, has increased or decreased your amount of mental clutter? De/increase in focus?

it's given me reason to sort my shit out, that's for sure

11:21 AM

other than that it's dependent on you, and your practice

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like, active forcing is a sort of meditation that can help you in that regard if properly approached

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and passive meditation is a sort of mindfulness that can also be of aid if used in the right manner

i'm not sure if you have had prior experience with meditation, but do you feel that forcing might interfere with focus meditation, like vipassana/zazen?

11:23 AM

breath meditaiton

11:24 AM

feeling constrained to do passive forcing when one would otherwise be mindful of the breath etc.

interfere, I'd say unlikely; they can always just stay silent when you're meditating on your own.

11:25 AM

and, well yeah you'd want to cement your breath mindfulness into a more general awareness of the perceptions, I think? In order for passive forcing to be as productive

11:26 AM

on a side note it can be pretty interesting when they meditate with you

11:26 AM

especially on stuff like metta

i'm a zazen purist, I don't touch metta with a 10 foot pole lol

11:27 AM

but this has all been helpful, thanks for this

lmao, it's super worth from experience tbh

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but yeah, you're welcome

BTW does this community do a mentor program for people wanting to create tulpas?

mmmm, well, in some places or others, but the general way of things is that you just go asking around and you get response from who's available

11:42 AM

if you want someone to mentor you closely you can just, ask in a chat or a forum post and I'm pretty sure someone would be available if you try a couple times

don't use the internet much myself, so it'd be easier to just bug someone personally

11:46 AM

i'll try that

tulpa.info has a mentorship program

12:11 PM

My system is available (edited)

12:12 PM

We've been doing this for a year and a half, have experience in almost everything aside from switching/imposition. And, we've written a pretty good guide

Well, the situations with me is quite frustrating... I can visualize now (and, being honest, not bad at this), but her (I assume so? ) never really talked, or never did I realized any signs of communication... Though I believed her existence, there is no solid evidence yet... Do I have anything special to do? Or simply just waiting and forcing is enough?

how long have you been at it?

Well, I believe at least a couple of months, though I did tried it earlier few years ago for a longer time, before I even knew the term "Tulpa"

mm. Well, try this next time; take some quiet meditative time and offer her some ways in which you'd like her to express herself, to reach out to you. Narrate the ways in which she may communicate with you. You could even like, offer some examples of sort. You don't have to parrot/puppet her if you don't want to; you can just make the example with another thoughtform.

1:46 PM

While you're doing this, well, keep open for when she might actually start doing it herself.

I never tried to puppet, lol, it's not what I wanted.

1:46 PM

Okay, I will note this, hope things will work out

good luck.

So you can see a clear image in your mind?

So how can I help my tulpa gain her own conscience? She can talk but some what on her own.

let her develop herself. Let her talk about herself, take actions, visualize objects in the mindscape on her own, etc.

Ok. I did visualize her and put thought in her. I didn't think she would respond so fast.

10:41 PM

Was surprising to me

tulpamancing is a surprise after another man

10:42 PM

you best just keep an attitude of open exploration

Ok

10:45 PM

I didn't give her a name she made one. Is the post to happen?

it happens yeah. Like, obviously lol, it happened to you for one (edited)

No it's before I made her

10:46 PM

Like a whisper in my thoughts

oh nice

I guess she want me to make her

10:48 PM

Some how she got me looking up tulpas

ahahahaha

Odd

that's a super cool story dude

It's is.

10:49 PM

Thought it happened to every one

hah, no, many don't experience such synchronicity in this way

the first thing Diana said to me (other than like "hi") was her name, and I didn't make it up either.

What though is she made of

10:57 PM

Dazama is made for companionship for positivity

11:01 PM

And she kinda thinks on her own I made her in 30 min. Well thinking how her personality should be. And imagine what she looks like and how her voice should be. And she just started asking questions